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The Daily OrangeBlue out as secondary SU color
Abstract:
Syracuse University's signature orange and blue look has gone stale. "We are the orange - we don't want to be the blue," said Nicci Brown, associate vice president for marketing and communications. "We are known as the orange, and we need to project that out a little more than what we have been doing....
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jw
posted 11/21/07 @ 10:38 AM EST
Originally posted byJay
this is the problem with this school. who really cares that much if our colors are orange or orange/blue? this is what we write articles about? ok syracuse.
Good god! I have lived in the Syracuse area for several years and as a long time fan, I emplore the University to bring back the ORANGEMEN! Seems as though Cantor and her PC brigade is hell bent on hyphenating this team. Orangemen become Orange, subsequently maybe they will become the O. The whole thing is ridiculus
LA
posted 11/15/07 @ 4:50 AM EST
The title of the article is "Blue out as secondary color", yet every person quoted in the article says it isn't. The only place it seems to be out is on the capital campaign collateral and the website home page. Why such an alarmist title that isn't even accurate Daily Orange???
Ken Turner
posted 11/15/07 @ 5:48 AM EST
Blue out as secondary color.
"Orangemen and Orangewomen" now become "Orange".
Drop Otto then reinstate him as a mascot.
Change the SU logo then change it to an S.
Change is good but how about asking the opinion of someone who has been affiliated with the University for more than just a few years. There is something to be said about tradition.
"Orangemen and Orangewomen" now become "Orange".
Drop Otto then reinstate him as a mascot.
Change the SU logo then change it to an S.
Change is good but how about asking the opinion of someone who has been affiliated with the University for more than just a few years. There is something to be said about tradition.
michael
posted 11/15/07 @ 9:05 AM EST
this is just another ridiculous change by the administration! Just when you think the genius of Cantor and Gross cant possibly mess up SU tradition more, they come out with this garbage!!
BRING BACK THE ORANGEMEN AND BRING BACK THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!!
SU FAN FOR LIFE! AND AN ALUMNI EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS NEWS!
GET A CLUE SU!
BRING BACK THE ORANGEMEN AND BRING BACK THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!!
SU FAN FOR LIFE! AND AN ALUMNI EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS NEWS!
GET A CLUE SU!
Jason
posted 11/26/07 @ 9:45 PM EST
As a Syracuse native and alum, I couldn't agree more.
Originally posted bymichael
this is just another ridiculous change by the administration! Just when you think the genius of Cantor and Gross cant possibly mess up SU tradition more, they come out with this garbage!!
BRING BACK THE ORANGEMEN AND BRING BACK THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!!
SU FAN FOR LIFE! AND AN ALUMNI EXTREMELY DISAPPOINTED WITH THIS NEWS!
GET A CLUE SU!
HD
posted 11/15/07 @ 10:02 AM EST
The new website reminds me of Princeton. If the Syracuse website had blue in it instead of that dark gray and black, it would still highlight the orange and still be legible.
Matt
posted 11/15/07 @ 10:14 AM EST
I agree Michael. Does it mean nothing to the administration that the all orange uniforms of the football team were inthe top 5 ugliest nationally? Is it too hard to even get the jersey to match the helmet? Have we forgotten that the flag of the state of NY is orange and blue and we put an NY on the helmet, spend millions on campaigns in the city as NY's hometown college team and then eliminate the blue? It doesn't matter that we're the laughing stock of football, or that we have been the guinea pig for Nike, only to throw out their advice, only to let them then redesign the basketball uniforms... This stuff matters to those of us who have to sit out in th ereal world and try to support the school away from the isolation of the hill. Don't forget that Texas is only one orange like color, as is Tennesee. Would Michigan get rid of the Maize and change their uniforms for money or corporate pressure? These are who we alumni have to answer to. St. John's seems to have realized their branding mistake and are now distancing themselves from the Red Storm moniker. Rutgers is really just Rutgers nowadays, you never really see the Scarlet Knight. When are we going to learn that moss won't grow on a rolling stone, or that an oak was an acorn that was left in the ground, not pulled out every two years.
BP
posted 11/15/07 @ 10:15 AM EST
Syracuse gained prominence nationally thanks to the athletic teams - basketball, football, and even lacrosse in the 80's. Back then, Orange and Blue were the main colors. There is no reason to change that. Other schools seem to survive with 2 color schemes - Maize and Blue of Michigan, Scarlett and Grey of Ohio State, shoot, even Florida maintains their Orange and Blue colors. If the school really wants to make a big move, how about picking a damn logo and staying with it for more than 2 years. And throw away the all orange football uni's. From a concerned alum.
Pete
posted 11/15/07 @ 10:28 AM EST
They should be focused on more core, value-added activites, like eliminating positions that feel the need "to be creative for the sake of being creative" or instilling "change for the sake of change". I wonder if a special committee was engaged to commission a study on font and color research.
At least they were successful in instilling some pride - now I can feel proud that I graduated from the University when trivial things weren't given such a level of importance. The majority of history and achievement at the school is when they were known as the Orange & Blue and the Orangemen.
I will always bleed orange & BLUE.
At least they were successful in instilling some pride - now I can feel proud that I graduated from the University when trivial things weren't given such a level of importance. The majority of history and achievement at the school is when they were known as the Orange & Blue and the Orangemen.
I will always bleed orange & BLUE.
Rick
posted 11/15/07 @ 11:50 AM EST
"I will say that it was a very conscious effort to focus on the color orange as SU can be associated with orange more than any other university in the country"
Right. So we're focused on becoming the "most orange" school in the country? That's an aspiration any university would want to aim for(just as UVA would want to be the "most cavalier", or UCONN would want to be the "huskiest", I suppose).
Will there be a contest in order to prove this orange dominance? Will it involve orange growing? Perhaps a recipe contest involving oranges? The possibilities are endless. So exciting.
What's up with the passive-aggressive retention of the blue? Are we changing the logo again? What about Otto? Is he going to wear an orange hat? Will it blend in too much with his scalp? What's the obsession with maroon?
Bad idea(yet oddly amusing)!
Right. So we're focused on becoming the "most orange" school in the country? That's an aspiration any university would want to aim for(just as UVA would want to be the "most cavalier", or UCONN would want to be the "huskiest", I suppose).
Will there be a contest in order to prove this orange dominance? Will it involve orange growing? Perhaps a recipe contest involving oranges? The possibilities are endless. So exciting.
What's up with the passive-aggressive retention of the blue? Are we changing the logo again? What about Otto? Is he going to wear an orange hat? Will it blend in too much with his scalp? What's the obsession with maroon?
Bad idea(yet oddly amusing)!
Alberto Dominguez
posted 11/15/07 @ 2:33 PM EST
As far as I am concerned, I bleed Orange and BLUE - not just orange.
I am tired of these lame campaigns that add no substance to the overall education of SU students.
SU should focus on real issues and allow my alma mater colors to shine!
Whats next? A campaign to to change the hue of the orange we already use?
I am tired of these lame campaigns that add no substance to the overall education of SU students.
SU should focus on real issues and allow my alma mater colors to shine!
Whats next? A campaign to to change the hue of the orange we already use?
Matt
posted 11/15/07 @ 2:49 PM EST
How about the school focus more on being green and not fall behind the Crimson, Cardinal, or Big Red even in a color war that we should be concerned with. The status quo is fine with uniforms and colors, but an environmentally green campus might actually go to promoting a better positive image about alumni adn to prospective students. This is where we are missing an opportunity to stand out amongst our peers.
Bruce Skewes
posted 11/15/07 @ 4:08 PM EST
How ridiculous. Keep the orange and blue, and bring back the Saltine Warrior as the mascot. Political Correctness eliminated him, stupidly ignoring the fact that he was a tribute to the fierceness of the indigenous people as warriors, in this case, symbolically on the gridiron "battlefield." Otto doesn't look so fierce, now does he? I don't see Notre Dame getting rid if the fighting figure of the leprechaun, or the Swedes and Norwegians offended by the "Vikings."
Kevin
posted 11/15/07 @ 4:26 PM EST
I am so sick and tired of these useless changes by this administration. Stop changing things that don't matter... just leave things alone! They've worked fine for 100 years, why would they just stop working now?
Syracuse is orange AND blue and has been for years... it should stay this way.
If the administration wants to make a difference, change things that actually matter to us. Change the student section and give us better seats, even though less profits for "premium seating" will be made. We should be the VIPs, not some random contributors because remember, we pay the $40,000 tuition per year to go here. Most of those people don't pay approximately $160,000 over four years. Let us use more of the university's money (that WE give) to fund more events. Stop changing things like our athletic team names because you think that they are too "politically incorrect," when in reality, they don't hurt anyone at all and actually sound a lot better than your alternatives (ex: OrangeMEN).
If the administration wants to make changes, do it in our interests, as we are the most important part of the university. Don't make changes that are just going to piss us off, like most of the ones that have been implemented lately.
Syracuse is orange AND blue and has been for years... it should stay this way.
If the administration wants to make a difference, change things that actually matter to us. Change the student section and give us better seats, even though less profits for "premium seating" will be made. We should be the VIPs, not some random contributors because remember, we pay the $40,000 tuition per year to go here. Most of those people don't pay approximately $160,000 over four years. Let us use more of the university's money (that WE give) to fund more events. Stop changing things like our athletic team names because you think that they are too "politically incorrect," when in reality, they don't hurt anyone at all and actually sound a lot better than your alternatives (ex: OrangeMEN).
If the administration wants to make changes, do it in our interests, as we are the most important part of the university. Don't make changes that are just going to piss us off, like most of the ones that have been implemented lately.
Jay
posted 11/17/07 @ 1:23 AM EST
Originally posted byKevin
I am so sick and tired of these useless changes by this administration. Stop changing things that don't matter... just leave things alone! They've worked fine for 100 years, why would they just stop working now?
Syracuse is orange AND blue and has been for years... it should stay this way.
If the administration wants to make a difference, change things that actually matter to us. Change the student section and give us better seats, even though less profits for "premium seating" will be made. We should be the VIPs, not some random contributors because remember, we pay the $40,000 tuition per year to go here. Most of those people don't pay approximately $160,000 over four years. Let us use more of the university's money (that WE give) to fund more events. Stop changing things like our athletic team names because you think that they are too "politically incorrect," when in reality, they don't hurt anyone at all and actually sound a lot better than your alternatives (ex: OrangeMEN).
If the administration wants to make changes, do it in our interests, as we are the most important part of the university. Don't make changes that are just going to piss us off, like most of the ones that have been implemented lately.
AMEN! It couldn't be put into better words. The administration in this school is terrible. I have yet to see them focus on one thing that actually matters...to anyone except them.
Ken
posted 11/15/07 @ 7:13 PM EST
sweet... now we can look like Virginia Tech. wtf is wrong with Cantor and all the morons she's bringing in (Gross included)? changing sports uniforms multiple times, changing the basketball court (i liked the blue baselines/sidelines better), changing the logo... if you didn't like the way things were, you should have never taken a job here. this isn't extreme makeover. dear Cantor and Gross: go home
Scott McNealus
posted 11/15/07 @ 11:22 PM EST
Hey Ken -
You nailed it with 'this isn't extreme makeover'. Wish I'd said it.
However, the issue is much more serious than that.
Please read my post.
You nailed it with 'this isn't extreme makeover'. Wish I'd said it.
However, the issue is much more serious than that.
Please read my post.
Scott McNealus
posted 11/15/07 @ 11:06 PM EST
Let me get this straight ...
Since Cantor, Gross and Band of Flunkies took charge in 2004 -
- SU Football is 7-26 and plays to 2/3rds full Dome (basically empty at game end)
- Mens basketball plays in the NIT
- Lacrosse lapses into mediocrity
- Almost 100 yr old Men/Women swimming/diving – highest GPA of any program – gets cut
- Introduces stupendously boring, fantastically expensive womens ice hockey.
Their main worry? Blue is not the correct accent color to Orange.
What drugs are these people using? Can I get some, too?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. They have an agenda. It's to destroy the current SU athletic tradition and rebuild it in a 'socially correct' manner.
Their actions and results leave room for no other conclusion.
How they can be stopped is another matter. But they must be stopped immediately.
Since Cantor, Gross and Band of Flunkies took charge in 2004 -
- SU Football is 7-26 and plays to 2/3rds full Dome (basically empty at game end)
- Mens basketball plays in the NIT
- Lacrosse lapses into mediocrity
- Almost 100 yr old Men/Women swimming/diving – highest GPA of any program – gets cut
- Introduces stupendously boring, fantastically expensive womens ice hockey.
Their main worry? Blue is not the correct accent color to Orange.
What drugs are these people using? Can I get some, too?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. They have an agenda. It's to destroy the current SU athletic tradition and rebuild it in a 'socially correct' manner.
Their actions and results leave room for no other conclusion.
How they can be stopped is another matter. But they must be stopped immediately.
Scott McNealus
posted 11/15/07 @ 11:16 PM EST
Let me get this straight ...
Since Cantor, Gross and Band of Flunkies took charge in 2004 -
SU Football is 7-26 and plays to 2/3rds full Dome (basically empty at game end)
Mens basketball plays in the NIT
Lacrosse lapses into mediocrity
Almost 100 yr old Men/Women swimming/diving – highest GPA of any program – gets cut
Introduces stupendously boring, fantastically expensive womens ice hockey.
Their main worry? Blue is not the correct accent color to Orange.
What drugs are these people using? Can I get some, too?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. They have an agenda. It's to destroy the current SU athletic tradition and rebuild it in a 'socially correct' manner.
Their actions and results leave room for no other conclusion.
How they can be stopped is another matter. But they must be stopped immediately.
Since Cantor, Gross and Band of Flunkies took charge in 2004 -
SU Football is 7-26 and plays to 2/3rds full Dome (basically empty at game end)
Mens basketball plays in the NIT
Lacrosse lapses into mediocrity
Almost 100 yr old Men/Women swimming/diving – highest GPA of any program – gets cut
Introduces stupendously boring, fantastically expensive womens ice hockey.
Their main worry? Blue is not the correct accent color to Orange.
What drugs are these people using? Can I get some, too?
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. They have an agenda. It's to destroy the current SU athletic tradition and rebuild it in a 'socially correct' manner.
Their actions and results leave room for no other conclusion.
How they can be stopped is another matter. But they must be stopped immediately.
Jeff
posted 11/16/07 @ 12:51 AM EST
Look back to the good old days when we won football games and when it was "great to be an SU orangeman." Colors there were orange and blue, as it should remain.
Dominic
posted 11/16/07 @ 9:51 AM EST
Contradict much?
"Now, it appears that blue is fading away."
"However, this is not a push for elimination of blue..."
"Syracuse will still see the same orange and blue tandem."
"One glance at the SU fields and athletic merchandise conclude that blue is here to stay."
This is a non-story. They took blue off the Web site, but there is no effect on the athletic teams. If this doesn't affect the athletic teams, who cares?
There's so much garbage like this coming out of the administration, it's embarassing. Why not do something that makes sense. Scrap the lighted mugging facilitation trail to downtown and fire Dr. Gross and GRob!
"Now, it appears that blue is fading away."
"However, this is not a push for elimination of blue..."
"Syracuse will still see the same orange and blue tandem."
"One glance at the SU fields and athletic merchandise conclude that blue is here to stay."
This is a non-story. They took blue off the Web site, but there is no effect on the athletic teams. If this doesn't affect the athletic teams, who cares?
There's so much garbage like this coming out of the administration, it's embarassing. Why not do something that makes sense. Scrap the lighted mugging facilitation trail to downtown and fire Dr. Gross and GRob!
g33k101
posted 11/16/07 @ 9:59 AM EST
So this is what they are thinking about instead of cutting down tuition?
ARE you really kidding me?
ARE you really kidding me?
Menotti (class of '07)
posted 11/16/07 @ 11:58 AM EST
It's been all about the PR the past few years, if they ever decide what the image is (3 different logos in my 4 years there). Lots of money spent in NYC to promote, too.
Roger Elliott, Alumnus
posted 11/16/07 @ 12:31 PM EST
More of Nancy Cantor's "Cultural Revolution" We know she's a liberal thinker a la deceased Communist Mao Zedong. She is trying to comprehensively remake Syracuse Univeristy into her own bland vision -- and she is destroying ALL historical traditions, spanning colors [who would have even imagined ?], sports, and, seeking to induce belief the strength of various colleges'/schools' $$$ development efforts are her doing when in fact she inherited strong Alumni + Corporate giving programs at Newhouse, Maxwell, et al. Her decisions have been disastrous examples of poor judgment spanning nepotism, wasted costly spends on advertising, and very ill-advised hire including novice athletic director Daryl Gross.
Now she's leading SU into the deeper exposure to Late Night TV jokes about Syracuse University and .. its .. ORANGE. Voted by The Sporting News as the "Most Hideous Uniforms for 2007" in NCAA athletics. How about substance madame ? How about some honest & fresh ideas that do not offend madame ? How about preserving something of tradition and history mixed with innovation ? How about some common sense from a woman with a degree in psychology ? Is that at all possible madame ?
When Nancy Cantor left the University of Illinois, reportedly several weeks of sighs of relief were heard on campus, off campus, and among alumni. Must have been good reasons why ! The University of Illinois gained by subtraction. Syracuse University is now burdened by Cantor's presence. She won't change. Syracuse University and the vitality it represents -- has stood for -- over many decades is under attack and at risk. The great university leader & chancellor, Bill Tolley, must be roiling in his grave.
Now she's leading SU into the deeper exposure to Late Night TV jokes about Syracuse University and .. its .. ORANGE. Voted by The Sporting News as the "Most Hideous Uniforms for 2007" in NCAA athletics. How about substance madame ? How about some honest & fresh ideas that do not offend madame ? How about preserving something of tradition and history mixed with innovation ? How about some common sense from a woman with a degree in psychology ? Is that at all possible madame ?
When Nancy Cantor left the University of Illinois, reportedly several weeks of sighs of relief were heard on campus, off campus, and among alumni. Must have been good reasons why ! The University of Illinois gained by subtraction. Syracuse University is now burdened by Cantor's presence. She won't change. Syracuse University and the vitality it represents -- has stood for -- over many decades is under attack and at risk. The great university leader & chancellor, Bill Tolley, must be roiling in his grave.
Dominic Rello
posted 11/17/07 @ 3:11 PM EST
1 BILLION dollars to eliminate blue?
How about, as somebody else mentioned, putting it towards stuff that actually relates to students' needs? Namely the 50+ year old gym on campus that could desperately use some renovations, or hell, even a new facility in general.
How about keeping the swim team?
How about adding some new equipment to the 10 treadmills in Goldstein that is supposed to be available to the what, 2000 kids that live on South Campus? You really have to be kidding me. The problem with Chancy Nancy is she's so busy couped up in her mansion and never on campus to see the issues that are really of importance to the actual students.
I can't imagine the group around her saying "you know what, I couldn't think if a better way to spend one BILLION dollars than to get rid of the color blue from this school."
I'm honestly disgusted yet not in the least bit shocked at this complete and utter stupidity on behalf of the administration. In my 2.5 years here I'm yet to see one thing passed by them that has benefitted the student body here, and that's really unfortunate and should not be tolerated much longer.
How about, as somebody else mentioned, putting it towards stuff that actually relates to students' needs? Namely the 50+ year old gym on campus that could desperately use some renovations, or hell, even a new facility in general.
How about keeping the swim team?
How about adding some new equipment to the 10 treadmills in Goldstein that is supposed to be available to the what, 2000 kids that live on South Campus? You really have to be kidding me. The problem with Chancy Nancy is she's so busy couped up in her mansion and never on campus to see the issues that are really of importance to the actual students.
I can't imagine the group around her saying "you know what, I couldn't think if a better way to spend one BILLION dollars than to get rid of the color blue from this school."
I'm honestly disgusted yet not in the least bit shocked at this complete and utter stupidity on behalf of the administration. In my 2.5 years here I'm yet to see one thing passed by them that has benefitted the student body here, and that's really unfortunate and should not be tolerated much longer.
Dave ALUM '69
posted 11/18/07 @ 11:00 AM EST
NANCY CANTOR IS A DESTROYER She is too superficial like a veneer with impressive credentials, however many decisions that bear her mark are shallow, weak & have left a less than positive public impression. Not a leader, more of what the Russians call an "aparatchik." Syracuse University is more than a collection of schools. It is part of the core fabric of a city, it reflects the memories of many of us alums, and it offers hopes for some kids who have aspired to get a collegiate education or move further into a profession. Nancy Cantor does not rally anyone, other than her staff. She is like a flavorless UNEEDA biscuit [Nabisco product] who someone else online described as an insipid bureaucrat. For crissakes, when are Trustees going to see this woman is a horrible leader ? Cantor embodies what is wrong on The Hill. 'Cuse has lost its way tinkering with historical colors. First off it opens up the possibility that there's competitition with other schools solely using orange, and secondly, that it breaks with history. Top schools do not shuck their history ! I'm sick to see this charlatan in charge. I will not give to her programs, nor the "disguised means" she uses. TO THE TRUSTEES: If she cannot lead, get her out of that critical chair !
Tom
posted 11/27/07 @ 2:31 AM EST
Why does Syracuse University need to employ another talking head = Nicci Brown, associate vice president for marketing and communications ? Get rid of her ! How dare she suggest that a school founded in, what 1865 ? need a change ! Did Univ of Michigan ? or, the Univ of Illinois ? OOPs -- yes they both did make a change -- getting rid of Nancy Cantor -- but did not change their colors -- nor did Yale, nor UConn, nor No Carolina, nor Georgetown, nor Cornell, nor Ball State, nor Toledo .. and the list goes on. CANTOR MUST GO ! Close your wallets folks. She spent too much time planted head first in a snowbank and has not thawed out !
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Jay
posted 11/15/07 @ 2:41 AM EST