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Originally posted by

Matt

Fuck this Kimberly Smith bitch!!!!!

no sir, Fuck You. Justice prevailed and it's hilarious.

Originally posted by

Matt

Fuck this Kimberly Smith bitch!!!!!

you're an ass. I hope devendorf punches your mom in the face.

Loser.

You believe everything you hear, because I don't. If this was true he'd be off the team already. 10-15 people were there, how come the police didn't get involved?

Originally posted by

mike

This kid should not even be a student at this university.

Pay attention to the details - Eric "PUSHED" her in the face. ala talk to the hand - not closed fist, get out of my personal space. Hense there was no bruise and the REAL COURTS dismissed this case

Originally posted by

Retrovirus

Well, you can't go around punching people in the face, even if you are a star basketball player.

Finally (echoed)!!! The university finally stood up and punished one of our punk athletes for breaking the law! Hopefully he's barred from SU for good. Screw the basketball team...learn how to treat women. You play a silly game and are lucky to get a free education!

Remy,

Well put. I'd like to think that the University and the police would treat anyone as innocent until proven quilty. Frankly, her word vs his doesn't cut it. If there were witnesses, they should be interviewed. If there is evidence, let's see it. THAT'S why he can still play for now.

All the people here who are ready to throw him out before due process are too reactionary.

Like Remy said, I don't know what he did, but if the cops and SU have proof, let's see it.

SU hoops: too much off court drama

Originally posted by

sam

im not saying devo did or didnt do it, but from what the facts seem to present, 5 people said he didnt do it, and the one person who said he did is the accuser, and there was no evidence (mark on her face that he did). regardless of the basketball implications, it appears that a serious injustice was done to the legal process, and eric is a victim of his popularity, much like the duke lacrosse team.

I'm glad you brought that up.. That means even better, thats DOMESTIC VIOLENCE then.

So just because they knew each other before gives him the right to hit someone?? you got to be kidding me man.

Originally posted by

Jared Diamond

This is rediculous. THe D.O. is not reporting THE ENTIRE STORY. Kim Smith dated Devo her freshman year...and he broke up with her. Facebook her, make your decisions on that _______.

You're an idiot to be posting as Tibor Palfi. Get a life, hypocrit

Originally posted by

T-pain aka Tibor Palfi

Anyone who calls Kimberly Smith a bitch, says Devo is a victim of his fame, or says that the university is too sympathetic towards women who are victims of violence is a damn Fool. Devo was a thug who was rude and disrespectful to many of my friends, cursing women and acting as tho their sex was his due. People hate kimberly smith because she actually called him on it and wouldn't stand for it, and people worship their basketball players more than they care about right and wrong, and that is messed up. They immediately assume she is lying because she is a women, and he is a star. Typical of a lot of the idiots on this campus.

FUCK YOU JARED. You are the scum that we all fight against. Way to stand up for the right person on this one. It's really considerate that you want to make sure that you don't lose out on your $150 season tickets over supporting a fucking assault survior you ignorant fuck. I would never in a million years ever want you being a spokesperson for all men... cuz you give all of us a bad name. get off your ass and go do some good in the world instead of trying to write another win for syracuse basketball on your AIM profile. Better yet.. just try out for the team, cuz we need a spot to fill after Devendorf is gone. wait, what about when you get kicked off for assualt yourself?

Originally posted by

T-pain aka Tibor Palfi

Anyone who calls Kimberly Smith a bitch, says Devo is a victim of his fame, or says that the university is too sympathetic towards women who are victims of violence is a damn Fool. Devo was a thug who was rude and disrespectful to many of my friends, cursing women and acting as tho their sex was his due. People hate kimberly smith because she actually called him on it and wouldn't stand for it, and people worship their basketball players more than they care about right and wrong, and that is messed up. They immediately assume she is lying because she is a women, and he is a star. Typical of a lot of the idiots on this campus.

The thing about this country is that we have whats known as the burden of proof. Thats why the real courts threw it out, as nothing could be proven and it was his word against hers.

Originally posted by

Ashamed

I don't know whether to be more embarrassed at the action itself, or the discussion on this website.

All I know is, if I punched, "open-hand pushed", or otherwise assaulted a student, or another faculty or staff member, nobody would be making excuses for me, or calling for judicial affairs to "compromise", or calling the person I assaulted a bitch or a liar or any of that. In fact, this wouldn't even be a Student Affairs issue, I'd be dealing with the police ON TOP OF getting my ass fired--not just suspended, but kicked out for good. And nobody would think twice.

this is not the wizard of oz, you dont need to write that quote THREE times dude.

Originally posted by

outraged

I am shocked and outraged by the acceptance of free floating "violence" in these responses, coming from people on both sides of this issue.

Violence of any sort (even written on this site) should not be tolerated. Name-calling and suggestions of violent acts against another person are forms of violence and abuse and it is shameful that people feel free to direct these thoughts openly at one another.

Will we ever get to a place where people practice respect in all areas of their lives?

Originally posted by

Jenn S.

@Rich'79... While I understand that there are false accusations made in terms of things like violence and rape, are you seriously ignorant enough to believe that these make up the majority of the cases? Do you even understand how many cases of domestic violence never get reported in the US? Or how many do get reported, only to fall through because a party was too afraid to go through with filing charges? It's pathetic that you want to cite one instance in which a woman made a terrible decision and use that as reasoning to undermine the seriousness of this issue. Your idiotic point (which I have noticed you have made several times in posts) of "well, this ONE time a chick lied and ruined the lives of some Duke lacrosse players" means nothing if you compare it to all of the women (and their families, friends, loved ones, etc.) who have had their lives affected or ruined by violence and rape.

And just so you know, it's not just about this case. My anger is directed at the way you seem to nonchalantly write off the accusation because of the Duke incident. Honestly, people like you are the reason why women are hesitant to report acts of violence and rape in the first place.

Al I wrote was Duke Lacrosse. You read all the rest into it. Your post says more about you than is does about me. For the record, I never said anything about the accuser. Just putting this into context. It is you using the generalizations. You've obviously got an agenda as do many who posted here in favor of suspending Deveondorf, or worse, sending him to prison. I understand that. Some people carry a lot of anger just waiting for someone to punish. In your case, it doen't seem to matter whether that periosn is innocent or not. You are angry because of some preceived injustice against women in general and and likely an axe to grind with college atheletes. I suppose that is because you think you are intellectually superior and therefore offer more value to mankind. Now you think you've got an athelete in a vulnerable position in a he-said-she-said circustance and you want to punich Devendorf for all of the injustices you preceive against women. Do you seriously think that suspending Devendorf for the semester is justice for pushing an old girl friend who was confronting him? Do you seriously think that every man sent to prison for rape is guilty. Have you kept up will all the appeals now being filed based upon newly available DNA evidence that exonerates those men? Decades in prison because a women was angry and wanted someone to pay - didn't matter who. Justice? I don't think so. There are two sides to this and you have chosen to see only one and on that basis advocate for the maximum penalty. Duke Lacrosse!

Originally posted by

jon

lmao @ rich... another great point buddy... right

of course i believe devendorf deserves due process, and he will get it. i am not in any position to guess what happened, but seriously some of you people need to give this girl a little respect instead of calling her a "bitch" or making utterly stupid points like rich does. at this point, NOBODY on this website know the truth of what happened. probably, we never will. but if you think devo deserves more respect than this girl just because of his position as an athlete, you're out of your mind. give them BOTH a chance people!!

Hey Ace, all I wrote was Duke Lacrosse. You took it from there. Never said anything about who deserves more respect. That was you. You pretend objectivity with "...give them both a chance..." but your post is all about defending the accuser. You think Duke Lacrosse is irrelevent here(stupid, as you so elequently wrote)? A women seeks to see innocent athelets severely punished (we're talking years in prison here) because she didn't like their additude, social class, race or all of those reasons. Don't see the similarity? No, probably not. Like many who posted here, you're handicapped in that regard. Seems a lot of you just have an axe to grind with male student atheletes. That is a theme running through many of the get-Devondorf posts. Due process? Suspend Devondorf based upon an old girlfriend's accusation? Is that what passes for justice at SU there days? How about waiting until he is proven guilty? No, that wouldn't give you the satisfcation you seem to so desperately need. Those of you advocating for Devondorf's suspension don't want justice - you want vengence and don't care where you get it. Justice is what has become irrelevent (stupid for you Ace) to the get-Devendorf crowd. I haven't seen one post from someone who was there. We can agree on at least one thing Ace - nobody posting here knows what really happen and probably never will. So why are you all advocating for Devondorf's suspension? Let's hear the truth now. Duke Lacrosse!!!

Originally posted by

Grant

I am not sure about her race, that's a good question.

And to Rich, I think what those people were referring to was the insinuation that goes along with saying "Duke Lacrosse". You obviously weren't just saying that for the hell of it- even though you accuse Jenn of having her own agenda, you do too. Not saying one person is right or wrong, just making a valid point based on what you have been saying.

And also, isn't it hypocritical to accuse them of generalizing and inferring your intentions when you do the same to them? I guess I feel like you shouldn't claim injustice over bad interpretation when you have no problem painting a complete portrait of Jenn in your response to her. And honestly, the way you talk down to both those people in your rants, it makes you seem like a real prick. You say Jenn talks like she feels she is "intelectually superior"... just reread your posts and see how arrogant you sound (if you are able to see any of your own wrongdoings). The problem here is that everything is based on assumptions- if you don't want people to rush to conclusions about Eric, you certainly shouldn't come to conclusions about people who post here. Hypocrisy really detracts from what could be legitimate arguments.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by

a non emus

Wow, there are some tempers flaring up here. First of all, I think Rich is right in saying that a lot of people want to nail Devo with charges in order to make him accountable for wrongs they've seen or felt. Very good point there. I don't think everybody here falls under that, but certainly some people who are getting so worked up over this.

But also dude, grant is right in a way. You do seem hypocritical in the way you respond to both those people- telling them not to judge you for what you said, then turning around and attacking them. Haha, you sound like an asshole especially when you talk to John, calling him "Ace" and saying he couldn't understand your point (hinting that he is stupid). Just saying man, haha... you are way overly harsh in the way you talk down to people. Even though I do agree with your point, I just think it'd have been more convincing if you hadn't gone on to be so abrasive and condescending in your reactions.

Point taken.